diff --git a/examples/mycontrols/MyToggleButtonSkinlet.cpp b/examples/mycontrols/MyToggleButtonSkinlet.cpp
index 1185380a..d57ec2bf 100644
--- a/examples/mycontrols/MyToggleButtonSkinlet.cpp
+++ b/examples/mycontrols/MyToggleButtonSkinlet.cpp
@@ -46,21 +46,21 @@ QRectF MyToggleButtonSkinlet::subControlRect( const QskSkinnable* skinnable,
     }
     else if( subControl == Q::UncheckedPanel )
     {
-        const auto r = innerRect( skinnable, contentsRect, Q::Panel );
+        const auto r = button->subControlContentsRect( contentsRect, Q::Panel );
         return sectionRect( r, button->isInverted() ? 0 : 1 );
     }
     else if( subControl == Q::CheckedPanel )
     {
-        const auto r = innerRect( skinnable, contentsRect, Q::Panel );
+        const auto r = button->subControlContentsRect( contentsRect, Q::Panel );
         return sectionRect( r, button->isInverted() ? 1 : 0 );
     }
     else if( subControl == Q::CheckedLabel || subControl == Q::CheckedIcon )
     {
-        return innerRect( skinnable, contentsRect, Q::CheckedPanel );
+        return button->subControlContentsRect( contentsRect, Q::CheckedPanel );
     }
     else if( subControl == Q::UncheckedLabel || subControl == Q::UncheckedIcon )
     {
-        return innerRect( skinnable, contentsRect, Q::UncheckedPanel );
+        return button->subControlContentsRect( contentsRect, Q::UncheckedPanel );
     }
     else if( subControl == Q::Cursor )
     {
@@ -68,7 +68,7 @@ QRectF MyToggleButtonSkinlet::subControlRect( const QskSkinnable* skinnable,
         if ( button->isInverted() )
             position = 1.0 - position;
 
-        auto rect = innerRect( skinnable, contentsRect, Q::Panel );
+        auto rect = button->subControlContentsRect( contentsRect, Q::Panel );
 
         rect.setWidth( 0.5 * rect.width() );
         rect.moveLeft( rect.left() + position * rect.width() );
@@ -79,13 +79,6 @@ QRectF MyToggleButtonSkinlet::subControlRect( const QskSkinnable* skinnable,
     return Inherited::subControlRect( skinnable, contentsRect, subControl );
 }
 
-QRectF MyToggleButtonSkinlet::innerRect( const QskSkinnable* skinnable,
-    const QRectF& rect, QskAspect::Subcontrol subControl ) const
-{
-    const auto r = subControlRect( skinnable, rect, subControl );
-    return skinnable->innerBox( subControl, r );
-}
-
 QSGNode* MyToggleButtonSkinlet::updateSubNode(
     const QskSkinnable* skinnable, quint8 nodeRole, QSGNode* node ) const
 {
diff --git a/examples/mycontrols/MyToggleButtonSkinlet.h b/examples/mycontrols/MyToggleButtonSkinlet.h
index 576a3a08..80bae2c5 100644
--- a/examples/mycontrols/MyToggleButtonSkinlet.h
+++ b/examples/mycontrols/MyToggleButtonSkinlet.h
@@ -43,10 +43,6 @@ class MyToggleButtonSkinlet : public QskSkinlet
   protected:
     QSGNode* updateSubNode( const QskSkinnable*,
         quint8 nodeRole, QSGNode* ) const override;
-
-  private:
-    QRectF innerRect( const QskSkinnable*,
-        const QRectF&, QskAspect::Subcontrol ) const;
 };
 
 #endif
diff --git a/src/controls/QskBox.cpp b/src/controls/QskBox.cpp
index 820ac9e0..efec3895 100644
--- a/src/controls/QskBox.cpp
+++ b/src/controls/QskBox.cpp
@@ -66,10 +66,10 @@ QMarginsF QskBox::padding() const
 
 QRectF QskBox::layoutRectForSize( const QSizeF& size ) const
 {
-    if ( !m_hasPanel )
-        return Inherited::layoutRectForSize( size );
+    if ( m_hasPanel )
+        return subControlContentsRect( size, Panel );
 
-    return innerBox( Panel, subControlRect( size, Panel ) );
+    return Inherited::layoutRectForSize( size );
 }
 
 #include "moc_QskBox.cpp"
diff --git a/src/controls/QskControl.cpp b/src/controls/QskControl.cpp
index 806f1e1b..c2d2c000 100644
--- a/src/controls/QskControl.cpp
+++ b/src/controls/QskControl.cpp
@@ -196,13 +196,7 @@ QRectF QskControl::contentsRect() const
 
 QRectF QskControl::subControlRect( QskAspect::Subcontrol subControl ) const
 {
-    return effectiveSkinlet()->subControlRect( this, contentsRect(), subControl );
-}
-
-QRectF QskControl::subControlRect(
-    const QRectF& contentsRect, QskAspect::Subcontrol subControl ) const
-{
-    return effectiveSkinlet()->subControlRect( this, contentsRect, subControl );
+    return subControlRect( contentsRect(), subControl );
 }
 
 QRectF QskControl::subControlRect(
@@ -211,7 +205,21 @@ QRectF QskControl::subControlRect(
     QRectF rect( 0.0, 0.0, size.width(), size.height() );
     rect = qskValidOrEmptyInnerRect( rect, margins() );
 
-    return effectiveSkinlet()->subControlRect( this, rect, subControl );
+    return subControlRect( rect, subControl );
+}
+
+QRectF QskControl::subControlContentsRect( QskAspect::Subcontrol subControl ) const
+{
+    return subControlContentsRect( contentsRect(), subControl );
+}
+
+QRectF QskControl::subControlContentsRect(
+    const QSizeF& size, QskAspect::Subcontrol subControl ) const
+{
+    QRectF rect( 0.0, 0.0, size.width(), size.height() );
+    rect = qskValidOrEmptyInnerRect( rect, margins() );
+
+    return subControlContentsRect( rect, subControl );
 }
 
 QLocale QskControl::locale() const
diff --git a/src/controls/QskControl.h b/src/controls/QskControl.h
index 41c64e18..fbc21fb4 100644
--- a/src/controls/QskControl.h
+++ b/src/controls/QskControl.h
@@ -93,10 +93,14 @@ class QSK_EXPORT QskControl : public QskQuickItem, public QskSkinnable
     virtual QRectF focusIndicatorRect() const;
     virtual QRectF focusIndicatorClipRect() const;
 
+    using QskSkinnable::subControlRect;
     QRectF subControlRect( QskAspect::Subcontrol ) const;
-    QRectF subControlRect( const QRectF&, QskAspect::Subcontrol ) const;
     QRectF subControlRect( const QSizeF&, QskAspect::Subcontrol ) const;
 
+    using QskSkinnable::subControlContentsRect;
+    QRectF subControlContentsRect( QskAspect::Subcontrol ) const;
+    QRectF subControlContentsRect( const QSizeF&, QskAspect::Subcontrol ) const;
+
     void setAutoFillBackground( bool );
     bool autoFillBackground() const;
 
diff --git a/src/controls/QskPageIndicatorSkinlet.cpp b/src/controls/QskPageIndicatorSkinlet.cpp
index 2d00e945..c4003675 100644
--- a/src/controls/QskPageIndicatorSkinlet.cpp
+++ b/src/controls/QskPageIndicatorSkinlet.cpp
@@ -140,8 +140,7 @@ QSGNode* QskPageIndicatorSkinlet::updateBulletsNode(
     if ( node == nullptr )
         node = new QSGNode();
 
-    QRectF rect = indicator->subControlRect( QskPageIndicator::Panel );
-    rect = indicator->innerBox( QskPageIndicator::Panel, rect );
+    const auto rect = indicator->subControlContentsRect( QskPageIndicator::Panel );
 
     // index of the highlighted bullet
     int currentBullet = qRound( indicator->currentIndex() );
diff --git a/src/controls/QskPushButton.cpp b/src/controls/QskPushButton.cpp
index 9aa975d9..090daf5a 100644
--- a/src/controls/QskPushButton.cpp
+++ b/src/controls/QskPushButton.cpp
@@ -242,7 +242,7 @@ void QskPushButton::updateResources()
 
 QRectF QskPushButton::layoutRectForSize( const QSizeF& size ) const
 {
-    return innerBox( Panel, subControlRect( size, Panel ) );
+    return subControlContentsRect( size, Panel );
 }
 
 void QskPushButton::changeEvent( QEvent* event )
diff --git a/src/controls/QskPushButtonSkinlet.cpp b/src/controls/QskPushButtonSkinlet.cpp
index 198e2474..2fa76569 100644
--- a/src/controls/QskPushButtonSkinlet.cpp
+++ b/src/controls/QskPushButtonSkinlet.cpp
@@ -73,8 +73,7 @@ QRectF QskPushButtonSkinlet::textRect(
 {
     // buttonShift -> TODO
 
-    QRectF r = button->innerBox( QskPushButton::Panel,
-        subControlRect( button, contentsRect, QskPushButton::Panel ) );
+    auto r = button->subControlContentsRect( contentsRect, QskPushButton::Panel );
 
     if ( button->hasGraphic() )
     {
@@ -93,8 +92,7 @@ QRectF QskPushButtonSkinlet::graphicRect(
 {
     // buttonShift -> TODO
 
-    auto r = button->innerBox( QskPushButton::Panel,
-        subControlRect( button, contentsRect, QskPushButton::Panel ) );
+    auto r = button->subControlContentsRect( contentsRect, QskPushButton::Panel );
 
     if ( !button->text().isEmpty() )
     {
diff --git a/src/controls/QskSkinnable.cpp b/src/controls/QskSkinnable.cpp
index 256976a5..a57c7c57 100644
--- a/src/controls/QskSkinnable.cpp
+++ b/src/controls/QskSkinnable.cpp
@@ -893,14 +893,7 @@ static inline QskMargins qskEffectivePadding( const QskSkinnable* skinnable,
     // sin 45° ceiled : 0.70710678;
     padding *= 1.0 - 0.70710678;
 
-    const auto paddingHint = skinnable->paddingHint( aspect );
-
-    return QskMargins(
-        qMax( padding.left(), paddingHint.left() ),
-        qMax( padding.top(), paddingHint.top() ),
-        qMax( padding.right(), paddingHint.right() ),
-        qMax( padding.bottom(), paddingHint.bottom() )
-        );
+    return padding.expandedTo( skinnable->paddingHint( aspect ) );
 }
 
 QMarginsF QskSkinnable::innerPadding(
@@ -942,6 +935,18 @@ QRectF QskSkinnable::outerBox(
     return innerBox.marginsAdded( m );
 }
 
+QRectF QskSkinnable::subControlRect(
+    const QRectF& contentsRect, QskAspect::Subcontrol subControl ) const
+{
+    return effectiveSkinlet()->subControlRect( this, contentsRect, subControl );
+}
+
+QRectF QskSkinnable::subControlContentsRect(
+    const QRectF& contentsRect, QskAspect::Subcontrol subControl ) const
+{
+    return innerBox( subControl, subControlRect( contentsRect, subControl ) );
+}
+
 bool QskSkinnable::isTransitionAccepted( QskAspect aspect ) const
 {
     Q_UNUSED( aspect )
diff --git a/src/controls/QskSkinnable.h b/src/controls/QskSkinnable.h
index e7cd9f30..7a6d6a14 100644
--- a/src/controls/QskSkinnable.h
+++ b/src/controls/QskSkinnable.h
@@ -97,6 +97,9 @@ class QSK_EXPORT QskSkinnable
     const char* skinStateAsPrintable() const;
     const char* skinStateAsPrintable( QskAspect::State ) const;
 
+    QRectF subControlRect( const QRectF&, QskAspect::Subcontrol ) const;
+    QRectF subControlContentsRect( const QRectF&, QskAspect::Subcontrol ) const;
+
     QSizeF outerBoxSize( QskAspect, const QSizeF& innerBoxSize ) const;
     QSizeF innerBoxSize( QskAspect, const QSizeF& outerBoxSize ) const;
 
diff --git a/src/controls/QskSliderSkinlet.cpp b/src/controls/QskSliderSkinlet.cpp
index c7b46186..5f89c861 100644
--- a/src/controls/QskSliderSkinlet.cpp
+++ b/src/controls/QskSliderSkinlet.cpp
@@ -15,12 +15,15 @@ static inline QRectF qskInnerPanelRect(
 {
     using Q = QskSlider;
 
-    // QskSkinnable::innerBox ???
+#if 1
     auto padding = slider->paddingHint( Q::Panel );
     padding += slider->boxBorderMetricsHint( Q::Panel ).widths();
 
     auto r = slider->subControlRect( contentsRect, Q::Panel );
     r = r.marginsRemoved( padding );
+#else
+    r = slider->subControlContentsRect( contentsRect, Q::Panel );
+#endif
 
     return r;
 }
diff --git a/src/controls/QskSubWindowSkinlet.cpp b/src/controls/QskSubWindowSkinlet.cpp
index b8cdda45..c51e5c7d 100644
--- a/src/controls/QskSubWindowSkinlet.cpp
+++ b/src/controls/QskSubWindowSkinlet.cpp
@@ -121,8 +121,7 @@ QRectF QskSubWindowSkinlet::symbolRect(
 {
     using Q = QskSubWindow;
 
-    auto rect = subControlRect( subWindow, contentsRect, Q::TitleBar );
-    rect = subWindow->innerBox( Q::TitleBar, rect );
+    auto rect = subWindow->subControlContentsRect( contentsRect, Q::TitleBar );
 
     int w = 0;
 
@@ -143,8 +142,7 @@ QRectF QskSubWindowSkinlet::titleRect(
 {
     using Q = QskSubWindow;
 
-    auto rect = subControlRect( subWindow, contentsRect, Q::TitleBar );
-    rect = subWindow->innerBox( Q::TitleBar, rect );
+    auto rect = subWindow->subControlContentsRect( contentsRect, Q::TitleBar );
 
     if ( !rect.isEmpty() )
     {
diff --git a/src/controls/QskTabButton.cpp b/src/controls/QskTabButton.cpp
index adbf0800..27d5c83d 100644
--- a/src/controls/QskTabButton.cpp
+++ b/src/controls/QskTabButton.cpp
@@ -89,7 +89,7 @@ QskTextOptions QskTabButton::textOptions() const
 
 QRectF QskTabButton::layoutRectForSize( const QSizeF& size ) const
 {
-    return innerBox( Panel, subControlRect( size, Panel ) );
+    return subControlContentsRect( size, Panel );
 }
 
 QskAspect::Placement QskTabButton::effectivePlacement() const
diff --git a/src/controls/QskTabButtonSkinlet.cpp b/src/controls/QskTabButtonSkinlet.cpp
index 2df6e976..1a6c97d0 100644
--- a/src/controls/QskTabButtonSkinlet.cpp
+++ b/src/controls/QskTabButtonSkinlet.cpp
@@ -20,14 +20,9 @@ QskTabButtonSkinlet::~QskTabButtonSkinlet() = default;
 QRectF QskTabButtonSkinlet::subControlRect( const QskSkinnable* skinnable,
     const QRectF& contentsRect, QskAspect::Subcontrol subControl ) const
 {
-    auto tabButton = static_cast< const QskTabButton* >( skinnable );
-
     if ( subControl == QskTabButton::Text )
     {
-        auto r = subControlRect( tabButton, contentsRect, QskTabButton::Panel );
-        r = tabButton->innerBox( QskTabButton::Panel, r );
-
-        return r;
+        return skinnable->subControlContentsRect( contentsRect, QskTabButton::Panel );
     }
     else if ( subControl == QskTabButton::Panel )
     {
diff --git a/src/controls/QskTabView.cpp b/src/controls/QskTabView.cpp
index 8da2a14f..52cc5329 100644
--- a/src/controls/QskTabView.cpp
+++ b/src/controls/QskTabView.cpp
@@ -320,13 +320,10 @@ void QskTabView::updateLayout()
     if ( maybeUnresized() )
         return;
 
-    m_data->tabBar->setGeometry( subControlRect( TabBar ) );
+    const auto cr = contentsRect();
 
-#if 1
-    m_data->stackBox->setGeometry( subControlRect( Page ) );
-#else
-    m_data->stackBox->setGeometry( innerBox( Page, subControlRect( Page ) ) );
-#endif
+    m_data->tabBar->setGeometry( subControlRect( cr, TabBar ) );
+    m_data->stackBox->setGeometry( subControlContentsRect( cr, Page ) );
 }
 
 #include "moc_QskTabView.cpp"
diff --git a/src/controls/QskTextInputSkinlet.cpp b/src/controls/QskTextInputSkinlet.cpp
index 35f9b274..15427718 100644
--- a/src/controls/QskTextInputSkinlet.cpp
+++ b/src/controls/QskTextInputSkinlet.cpp
@@ -25,8 +25,7 @@ QRectF QskTextInputSkinlet::subControlRect( const QskSkinnable* skinnable,
     }
     else if ( subControl == QskTextInput::Text )
     {
-        const auto r = subControlRect( skinnable, contentsRect, QskTextInput::Panel );
-        return skinnable->innerBox( QskTextInput::Panel, r );
+        return skinnable->subControlContentsRect( contentsRect, QskTextInput::Panel );
     }
 
     return Inherited::subControlRect( skinnable, contentsRect, subControl );
diff --git a/src/controls/QskTextLabelSkinlet.cpp b/src/controls/QskTextLabelSkinlet.cpp
index 229afc49..618ff788 100644
--- a/src/controls/QskTextLabelSkinlet.cpp
+++ b/src/controls/QskTextLabelSkinlet.cpp
@@ -23,19 +23,16 @@ QskTextLabelSkinlet::~QskTextLabelSkinlet() = default;
 QRectF QskTextLabelSkinlet::subControlRect( const QskSkinnable* skinnable,
     const QRectF& contentsRect, QskAspect::Subcontrol subControl ) const
 {
-    const auto label = static_cast< const QskTextLabel* >( skinnable );
-
     if ( subControl == QskTextLabel::Panel )
     {
         return contentsRect;
     }
     else if ( subControl == QskTextLabel::Text )
     {
+        const auto label = static_cast< const QskTextLabel* >( skinnable );
+
         if ( label->hasPanel() )
-        {
-            auto r = subControlRect( label, contentsRect, QskTextLabel::Panel );
-            return label->innerBox( QskTextLabel::Panel, r );
-        }
+            return label->subControlContentsRect( contentsRect, QskTextLabel::Panel );
 
         return contentsRect;
     }